[CoE] [NetRep] Official Rulings Digest #120

[Mark Alfano]

Greetings,

I apologize for the long delay between this digest and the previous one.
Life has been extremely hectic, both because I had to step in to help
organize Worlds 2008 and because I’m becoming an adult… ;)

To better serve the community, we have decided that Mikko will become the
NetRep while I remain on the NetRep team and focus on finishing the
Universal Rulebook.  This is therefore my final CoE digest, but certainly
not the last time I’ll be involved in Middle Earth.

1) Charles asked: " When can an on guard Lure of Power be revealed?
1.  Immediately after a  company enters a site
2. After a character taps for an influence attempt (but before dice roll)
3.  After a character taps for an influence attempt AND after resource
player plays any cards modifying the influence attempt (but before dice
roll)"
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The Lure may only be revealed after a character taps for an influence
attempt, but before the dice roll.  Your option 2 is correct.

2) Dominic asked: "Seized by terror is succesfully played on a characetr
bearing Palantir of Amon Sul/Osgiliath. Is the Palantir discarded?"
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No, the character is no longer considered to be moving, so the palantir is
not discarded.  If, during the next movement/hazard phase the character
attempts to move alone, the palantir is discarded.

3) Dominic asked: "Alatar plays The Hunt; Fellowship has been played on his
company: Is Fellowship discarded? Does he get a +1 prowess bonus?"
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Yes, he does get the bonus.  No, the Fellowship is not discarded.

4) Dominic asked: "Can I grab Mithril with Palantir of Annuminas? Crf says
every card requiring a sage to play is sage only, but what about the
possibility of a dwarf playing mithril...?"
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 You put your finger on the problem.  Mithril doesn't require a sage; it
requires a sage or dwarf, so it cannot be fetched with the Palantir of
Annuminas.

5) Ben asked a sequence of questions: "What with the earlier Adunaphel
ruling, I have some serious questions about Blind to the West and Ire of the
East revolving around the phrase "any time."
a) Is it actually legal to play this card outside of the movement/hazard
phase? A strict comparison with Adunaphel indicates no, while a strict
comparison with Twilight indicates yes. Between the two, however, Twilight
is the one that may also be played as a resource, which makes Twilight
easier to understand.
b) Does this card bypass the continuing effects of such cards as Spying Out
the Land, or does "any time" not refer to effects that would prevent the
play of all hazards?
c) May this card be played once a chain of effects has started resolving,
since it may be played at any time?
d) May this card be played while CvCC is occurring? Can it, indeed, be
played for no effect since it may be played at any time?
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a) Yes, it is.  Twilight is the correct comparison.
b) No, it does not bypass such effects.  This is a case of Card vs. card,
not card vs. rule.
c) No.  It may be played when a card may be played.  Since nothing may be
played once a chain of events has started resolving, Blind / Ire cannot be
played either.
d) It may be played during CvCC.  It may not be played for no effect: it
targets a short event played earlier in the same chain of effects, and so
may only be played when such a target exists.

6) Joe Bisz asked whether Smoke on the Wind and Burning Rick, Cot, and Tree
target the sites at which they are played.
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They don't.

7) The question has arisen whether a hazard player must specify at
declaration the region/site to which his creature is keyed, and furthermore,
whether the region/site specified may be changed at resolution.  For
instance, against a company moving through a shadowland and a dark-domain,
can a hazard player declare an attack by an Orc-Guard keyed to the
shadowland, then change the region resolution and key it instead to
dark-domain?
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There is no basis in the rules for allowing a hazard player to change the
region/site to which his creature is keyed.  The region/site specified when
the creature is played is the only allowable region/site when the creature
resolves.

Birk asked a number of questions:

8) Await the advent of allies

I'm not sure what the condition is for "play a card at the site". Does this
mean when I play a "Marvels Told" or "Risky Blow" or a other short event,
that then AtAoA is discarded? An when can I play such card? Also during the
council so that then the characterpoints are counting?
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The condition is: the card must require the site to be played.  Marvels Told
therefore does not count.  Rescue Prisoners does.  I don’t know of any such
cards that can be played during the council, but if they exist, they will
discard Await.


9) The Sun Unveiled

If I travel to a freehold during movement hazard phase, then I can't use
this card because I'm then "in transit". But what about the site phase? May
I use TSU to untap a character to fulfill the condition to tap a ranger for
a "River"? Additional: May I use TSU during the cc at Council to untap a
character who then can give +1 support for a cc?
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You can't use TSU during the movement hazard phase if the character is
moving.  You can't use it before tapping for a River during the site phase.
You can't use it during the council because it does not directly affect the
cc.


10) Rank upon Rank

When I play RuR to modify the attack of a "Assassin" what are the
modifications for the strike? The prowess of the "Assassin" is then 11+1 =
12. And I think that the "Assassin" still has one strike to the character
and so no -1 penalty is not coubting.
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The assassin has two strikes because Rank Upon Rank adds a strike.  That
strike cannot target another character, so it becomes a -1 modifier against
the character facing the first strike.

  11) LONG, GRIEVOUS SIEGE ‐ Permanent‐event (R)
[MP: 1]
Playable on a unique non‐Dragon faction. Place a Border‐hold [ ] from your
location deck ʺoff to the sideʺ with this card. The Border‐hold [ ] must be
in the same region or adjacent thereto as a site where the target faction is
playable. Return any faction
playable at the Border‐hold [ ] to its ownerʹs hand. ‐5 to any attempt to
play a faction at any version of the Border‐ hold. All versions of the
Border‐hold [ ] gain an additional automatic‐attack: same type as your
target faction 5 strikes with 9 prowess
(detainment against your companies). Cannot be duplicated on your faction.


May I use a faction from my opponent?
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No, your resources may not target your opponent’s resources.

12)
If the answer is Yes then I can use the Borderhold where the faction is
playable and the the faction is discarded?
Example: Opponent played "Easterlings" at "Easterling Camp". I put LGS on
the "Easterling Camp". So the "Easterlings" are discarded because this
faction is playable at this Borderhold. Additoonal, to make it more
interesting: The Easterlings are the hero version
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Since the original answer was no, this question is irrelevant.

13)
Additional: When I use a Borderhold then also the following faction are
discarded because these faction are playable at a Borderhold:

A Panoply pf Wings (when the Borderhold is in a Wilderness)
Beasts of the Wood (when the Borderhold is in Woodland Realm, Western
Mirkwood, Heart of Mirkwood, Southern Mirkwood, Fangorn, or Cardolan)
WILD HORSES (when the Borderhold is in Rohan, Southern Rhovanion, Khand,
Dorwinion, Horse Plains, or Harondor)
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That’s correct

14)
But these faction will not have ‐5 to any attempt to play unless I try to
play the faction at the LGS-Borderhold.
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That’s also correct.

15)
Additional question to the Borderhold. My opponent changed a Freehold to a
Borderhold (New Moon + Doors of Night). May I use now the changed site to
fulfill the conditions of LGS?
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I don't quite understand how your opponent could change the site type while
the site is in your location deck.  If the site is in play and New Moon is
played on it, then you cannot use LGS on the site.  If it's in your location
deck, then New Moon cannot be played on it.

16) Fallen Gandalf Player and auto attacks: A Fallen Gandalf Player now is
using the LGS-Borderhold which now is a Free Hold because New Moon is gone.
Now the Fallen Gandalf Player plays

CHAMBERS IN THE ROYAL COURT ‐ Permanent‐event (U)
[SP: 1]
Gandalf specific. Playable on one of your hero Free‐hold [ ] sites in play.
This site becomes a Wizardhaven [ ] for your companies,
loses all automatic‐ attacks against your companies, and is one of Gandalfʹs
home sites. Nothing is considered playable as written on
the site card. If one of your companies is at this site, all attacks against
it are canceled. Other Fallen‐wizards may not use this site as
a Wizardhaven [ ]. Discard this card when the site is discarded or returned
to its location deck. It cannot be discarded otherwise.
Cannot be duplicated on a given site.

So the site is still a site with an automatic attack for fullfilling the
conditions of having a site with an auto attack to play resources.

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I don't see exactly what your question is here.  If you are asking whether
Gandalf can play Chambers on a hero freehold with an automatic attack, the
answer is yes.

17) Rank upon Rank is on the table and I have to fight against an Assassin.
I defeated the fitst attack. Is now Rank upon Rank discarded, bceacuse it
says if one of this attack is defeaded.
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Yes, if you defeat the first attack of the assassin, Rank upon Rank will be
discarded


18) Charles Jenkins said, "My opponent moved to Zarak Dum and Scorba at Home
was in play (kutm vs kutm!).  My haz deck packs unabated and tidings to
protect my at homes from the opponent.  I play TOBS.  My opponent assumes
that "defeating" the "exact duplicate" of Scorba at Home allows him to play
KUTM on Dain.  I stated that I was certain that this situation had been
ruled on in the past and that defeat of an attack created by TOBS+ at home
dragon does not constitute defeating the at home dragon, just a copy of the
at home.  I can't easily reference past rulings but I did see the recent
ruling regarding exile of solitute.  You stated that defeat of TOBS+at home
does not yield kill points which seems to tangentially imply that the at
home is not defeated, i.e. (tobs)+(at home) does not equal (at home)."
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The At Home dragon would not be defeated in this case, so KutM would not be
playable.


19)
Karsten asked "I'd really like to get an official answer from the netrep
concerning my question on ties in The Riddle Game. As far as I know this
hasn't been answered before. Here is the link to the discussion:
http://www.councilofelrond.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=992
The Riddle Game wrote:
Riddling attempt. Playable during the site phase on a character at the same
site as one of opponent's companies. Tap the character Opponent chooses a
character from his company to play the riddle game. Each player makes a
riddling roll (or draws a #) modified by +2 if his character is a sage and
by +1 if a Hobbit (re-roll ties). The player with the highest result wins.
He then names two cards and the other player reveals his hand If any of the
named cards are revealed, they are immediately discarded.

Wit wrote:
Modify one riddling roll by +3. If applicable, this card may also be played
during your opponent's site phase if a riddling roll is called for.

I wonder about the re-roll ties-part in The Riddle Game. What happens if I
played Wit on the roll and a re-roll is necessary. Do I get +3 to the second
roll, too?
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No, you do not get the +3 on the second roll.


20)
Sebastian asked, "when i play flatter a foe and reduce the hazard limit to
zero, which cards can my opponent play in reponse? any hazard short event?
many sorrows befall makes sense to me in this case because my intuition
says: if flattery a foe reduces the hazard limit to zero, only cards  that
cancel the flattery attempt can be played in response.  but i'm afraid
that's wrong :-)

so is the opponent also allowed to play hazards, that don't effect flatter a
foe? for example river?
creatures are not allowed to play right? what about permanent and long
events?"
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Your opponent can play anything that needn’t start a chain of effects.
Hence, he may not play a corruption card or anything that might cause an
attack (e.g., a creature, an ahunt dragon, tidings of bold spies).
Otherwise, he can play anything he likes.


21) I was asked to rule on the topic discussed in the following thread:
http://www.meccg.net/dforum/viewtopic.php?p=20758#20758
There are two questions in this thread.
a) Does Long Dark Reach “break” stealth?  That is, can Long Dark Reach be
used to attack a company that successfully played stealth in the
organization phase.
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Yes, it can.  The creature is not played but revealed.  The CRF
clarification on Long Dark Reach saying “A creature must be played if there
is one available” does not use “play” in the technical sense of bringing a
card from the hand into play.

b) If the creature attack caused by Long Dark Reach is defeated, does the
resource player get kill marshalling points for it?
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Yes.



Best,

Mark Alfano
mark.alfano at gmail.com

Official Council of Elrond Netrep*
http://www.councilofelrond.org/,
http://www.councilofelrond.org/forum/index.php,

*Prepared in collaboration with Mikko Vihtemäki (NetRep Team), and Brian
Min, Manuel Cabezali Romero, Konrad Klar, and David Barton (NetRep
Advisors).
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